Wednesday, 16 January 2008

I-35W bridge: another datapoint
The gusset plates were undersized:
UPDATE 080117 15:21: Glenn Reynolds points to a Popular Mechanics story which includes this curious sentence:
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The gusset plates were undersized:
The collapse of the Interstate 35W bridge may have originated with the failure of gusset plates that were sized a half-inch too thin in the original 1960s design, the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) said Tuesday.
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The NTSB also warned bridge engineers nationwide... to review the designs and recalculate maximum loads on the estimated 12,600 similar steel deck truss bridges.
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The sizing error occurred in the original design process at Sverdrup & Parcel, a St. Louis firm that was later acquired by Jacobs Engineering. Because original work papers are missing, investigators don't know whether it was a math mistake or other miscue, [NTSB chairman Mark] Rosenker said.
He said no deficiencies have been found in the bridge's steel or concrete.
UPDATE 080117 15:21: Glenn Reynolds points to a Popular Mechanics story which includes this curious sentence:
The findings confirmed forecasts by investigators from three months after the collapse—plus engineering experts in the immediate aftermath— and underscored the dire state of America’s crumbling infrastructure.’Scuse me, but how does a design mistake made during the Johnson administration (and not caught until now) have anything to do with the overall state of America's infrastructure today? Less spin, please.
Links to previous posts after the break...
Previously:
Twin Cities bridge collapse: Design flaw?
Engineers, Management, and Failure
Citizen journalism in Minneapolis
35W Bridge: support points of the main arch
A look at the tape
Because infrastructure doesn't vote
Engineers, Management, and Failure
Citizen journalism in Minneapolis
35W Bridge: support points of the main arch
A look at the tape
Because infrastructure doesn't vote
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how does a design mistake made during the Johnson administration (and
not caught until now) have anything to do with the overall state of
America's infrastructure today?
1. The engineers were equal opportunity students who failed math.
2. Money which could be spent on infrastructure repair--i e, maintenance of bridges, roads, etc., is being misspent by Congress on bikepaths, among other stupid, unnecessary things.
1. The engineers were equal opportunity students who failed math.
2. Money which could be spent on infrastructure repair--i e, maintenance of bridges, roads, etc., is being misspent by Congress on bikepaths, among other stupid, unnecessary things.
Posted by: miriam at 01/20/08 23:02:56 (Zp7CU)
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You could certainly argue that the bridge had become obsolete, and should have been replaced long ago (and would have been replaced, had funds been properly allocated). There's also the question of why a "fracture-critical" design (anything breaks and it falls down) was used, instead of one with redundancy. I'd speculate that with the Vietnam war and the Great Society both accelerating, there was a lot of pressure to wring as much money out of other federal programs as possible. The interstate system, being Ike's project, was an ideal target. So we got a bunch of "cheap" bridges.
"...stupid, unnecessary things."In Minneapolis, it's light rail. (At least according to some!)
You could certainly argue that the bridge had become obsolete, and should have been replaced long ago (and would have been replaced, had funds been properly allocated). There's also the question of why a "fracture-critical" design (anything breaks and it falls down) was used, instead of one with redundancy. I'd speculate that with the Vietnam war and the Great Society both accelerating, there was a lot of pressure to wring as much money out of other federal programs as possible. The interstate system, being Ike's project, was an ideal target. So we got a bunch of "cheap" bridges.
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